今天在北大吃飯看到這幕真令人生氣!!!!

一片雲

如果你很愛狗的話...你就不會這樣說了...我是不愛寵物...但是我覺得這跟我一點關係也沒有...妳管的也太寬了.這年頭很多人愛狗ㄟ...也有很多人跟狗睡呢.這又怎麼說呢?別無聊到這種事情也要說出來.又不是店家東西不好吃.這跟店家一點關係也沒有.你看不習慣的事情太多了...我也是.又能怎樣.你能改變神麼?能改變嗎?妳這樣繪引想店家生意.開一家店不容易.那狗跟店家有關係嗎?我不喜歡動物.我覺得就事論事....

lingoma

我愛狗, 我養狗....那些事, 在我看來的確是沒什麼
但是，不表示我贊同該飼主的作為
看到無數和寵物有關的主題,
有人喜以"仇敵"的口吻來批評,挑釁...
好像愛狗人仕各個都有罪...不反應就是理虧...需要這樣嗎?

要說起細菌, 那裡沒有?
孩童的屎尿, 就不髒嗎?  
成人的口水, 就不毒嗎?

(替孩子才換過尿片, 擤過鼻涕, .....確定都洗過手了嗎?)
(當我帶著MayMay拜訪安養院時, 我該不該擔心那些失智老人撫摸MayMay的手是否潔淨呢?)



不過, 我尊重所有的人,
除了寵物店(絕不會禁止寵物進入的地方),
我是不會帶MayMay進"禁止寵物"的場所的.


我覺得, 養寵物是個人的事,
就和要不要生不生小孩是相同的道理...
不管你養不養寵物, 都要懂得互相尊重...

然而，養狗訓育，不能棄養，尤其，出門牽繩的觀念，實在有待加強


家有寵物 孩子身心都健康
https://forum.ibeta.tw/forum.php ... 8&fromuid=17006
家有寵物 孩子身心都健康
（黃文彥）

February 17, 2013
●家中養了三隻貓的陳小姐已懷孕六個月，她即將在今年產下第一胎；聽聞寵物恐為寶寶帶來過敏原，陳小姐一點也不擔心，她仍然打算讓寶寶與三隻貓一起生活。

日前一篇在「兒科醫學期刊」《Pediatrics》期刊的論文，芬蘭Kuopio大學醫學院的研究人員發現，家中有寵物的新生兒，比沒有寵物的新生兒更健康。研究結論表示，新生兒接觸貓狗，可以降低呼吸道疾病的發病率。

這篇研究發現也同樣支持台北市獸醫師公會理事長楊靜宇的觀點。他說，除非新生兒本身就有過敏體質，否則家中寵物不僅能提高新生兒免疫力，更有助於穩定情緒。

事實上，除了提高新生兒免疫力外，倫敦大學針對2000名九到十歲的幼童調查也發現，家中有養狗的小孩較活潑。台灣國泰醫院臨床心理師黃淑惠說，寵物確實是刺激的來源，尤其對於發育階段的新生兒，透過撫摸、感覺，更能培養他們的認知功能。

「寵物不會說話，跟同樣還不會說話的小寶寶，通常能一拍即合。」黃淑惠表示，寵物通常是歡樂的來源，新生兒能在與寵物互動的過程獲得快樂；無論是看著家人或自己照護寵物，也能體會生命的真諦。

對於不少人擔心，寵物是傳染病與過敏原的來源，黃淑惠說，寵物是自然界的一部分，自然生活本來就充滿許多病原體及過敏原，對於長期居住在都會區的人來說，能與自然互動才能體會自然的生活。

陳小姐養貓的經驗更勝於小寶寶，這三隻貓已經跟她生活超過四年，她說，「養動物反而會讓小朋友對過敏有多一點的抵抗力。」

戀家

哈哈哈！看這篇和回應！都是很有理的！
我只能說，我曾有一隻1.6kg的小型老狗！有次社區的女警衛碰到我家的狗說：我怕狗，趕快把它帶走！
1.6kg的老狗一腳就踢死了吧！虧妳還當警衛？
另外一個鄰居有隻紅毛貴賓，幾乎都是抱在手上的，從不落外面的地，有次我看她抱著說：好可愛喔！。。想摸一下，門都沒有
她媽說：牠剛洗完藻。。。。意思是：我可別污染牠！
能說什麼呢！
什麼人都有，沒什麼奇怪的！

我不喝奶

暗自列為拒絕往來戶唄！
做吃的東西，本應注重衛生的！

7689

william4bta 發表於 2013-2-18 13:42
哈哈 我笑了!!

他說不定會說我把他當親生的一樣~
我也養寵物不過沒這樣照顧啦~可能我不夠用心吧~

美好生活

這真的太有趣了...說真的, 大家要彼此尊重有孩子和有小狗的人....但是器具使用應該要有分別吧

rainbow

lingoma 發表於 2013-2-19 01:40
我愛狗, 我養狗....那些事, 在我看來的確是沒什麼
但是，不表示我贊同該飼主的作為
看到無數和寵物有關的主 ...

雖然"實際操作層面"上我很怕狗
(因為被咬過)

不過"精神層面上"我覺得狗很可愛
(看太多卡通  像小英的故事  龍龍與忠狗  靈犬雪麗之類)

將心比心   我可以理解一些些您說的感覺
就像帶小孩出門
雖然我家小孩不吵鬧  也不會穿著鞋子在椅子上踩
但我們也有過一上飛機  座位附近的人看到孩子就說"真倒楣  有小孩"
可是我家小孩可比那人安靜多了  安靜看書  畫畫  看卡通  睡覺
下機時很多人還很驚訝說都沒發現有小朋友
也有過去家庭餐廳  都還沒入座  就被嫌棄說小孩子很吵  被人冷眼相對
看著乖乖在座位上畫畫的孩子(我都會自備紙筆  在等餐時給小孩打發時間)
我還覺得那位嫌棄我們的老兄  一直大聲嫌棄小孩  
在周圍一片說話聲中清楚聽見他的聲音  才真的是吵鬧又無禮吧!
不過  放任孩子在公共場所大聲吵鬧頑皮的家長真的存在
難免會先入為主  
就如像您一樣認真教育愛狗的飼主雖然很多
但只要有一兩個比較難接受的行為   
不好的刻板印象就很需要時間和經驗來扭轉了
所以  很希望像您一樣負責任的愛狗朋友越來越多  
如果將來北大有一些寵物友善餐廳  讓寵物們可以和飼主一起安心用餐也很好

同樣的  將心比心  我也可以理解樓主的心情
我自己有小孩之後 也是很長一段時間都帶著抗菌液到處噴
我想不管是狗兒還是小孩使用過
應該可以建議餐廳清潔消毒後再放回去供下一位客人使用
要不就自備抗菌液噴一噴  會比較安心

大家互相交流想法  雖然不見得會有共識  
但總可以看出多數人的底線在哪裡
了解了底線  互相尊重也就比較容易執行了~

phantom

寵物與過敏的相關研究

有許多國外的醫學研究報告顯示寵物(貓及狗)易 誘發/導致/引起 幼兒過敏現象，另有許多寵物引發成人過敏症狀的醫學研究報告，其中有許多是與呼吸系統相關的症狀。有些特別的案例是，寵物的毛屑所誘發的過敏問題，甚至會導致睡眠呼吸中止症。底下只摘取兩篇以幼兒為研究對象，且被引用次數較多的研究報告，供網友們參考。若想進一步了解寵物引起過敏的問題，可在google輸入「pets and allergy」的關鍵字，使用進階蒐詢，設定只找pdf的檔案，就可以看到許多的醫學研究報告顯示及確認寵物與過敏相關，特別是幼兒的免疫系統尚未健全，更容易導致過敏的症狀。

然而HPR Rescue顯然有另一番說法，其CEO引用一份由 National Institute of Allergy and Infectious deceases所作的研究報告對那些因寵物導致幼兒過敏而想要rehome寵物的 owner 提出公開呼籲。
(Multiple Pets May Decrease Children's Allergy Risk http://www.niaid.nih.gov/news/ne ... /petallergyrsk.aspx)，該報告表示寵物上的細菌反而可以抑制過敏反應，激發免疫系統…(These bacteria release molecules called endotoxins, and endotoxins are believed to shift the developing immune system away from responding to allergens through a class of lymphocytes called Th-2 cells, which are associated with allergic reactions. Instead, endotoxins may stimulate the immune system to activate Th-1 cells, which may block allergic reactions.)
為平衡報導，因此也在下方引用HPR Rescue CEO的公開呼籲。
然而，值得注意的是，National Institute of Allergy and Infectious deceases所作的這篇研究報告，其開頭指明「Children raised in a house with two or more dogs or cats during the first year of life may be less likely to develop allergic diseases as compared with children raised without pets」，但並無法說明其結論是否適用於偶而接觸的幼兒(比如未飼養寵物的家庭)？也未說明各種不同體質的小孩(比如有些幼兒天生體弱)在偶而接觸的情況下是否仍適用這樣的結論？其比例又是多少？對於東方人的體質是否有同樣的結論等等？
總之，從google查得到的資料顯示，寵物會引起過敏的文獻數目遠逺超過這一篇文獻。該相信誰的結論，網友須自行判斷。
一、Exposure to Pets and the Risk of Allergic Symptoms During the First 2 Years of Life (原文網址http://www.jiaci.org/issues/vol17issue05/4.pdf)
摘要結論(Brief Result & Discussion)：
Among the 1881 2-year-old children, 432 (23%) showed symptoms of allergic disease (boys, 24.8%; girls, 21.2%). The majority of them showed symptoms of eczema (69.4%), 34.3% had physician-diagnosed asthma or chronic obstructive bronchitis, and only 2 children had physician-diagnosed hay fever.
In children without family history of allergic disease the presence of a pet in the home at the time of birth was associated with a nonsignifi cant trend towards less allergic symptoms. Only dog ownership displayed a signifi cant association with a lower risk of allergic symptoms in children with no family history of atopic disease. In children with a family history of allergic disease there was a trend towards increased risk among those exposed to dogs in the home at the time of birth. In this birth cohort study we found that newborns without a family history of allergic disease had a lower prevalence of asthma and eczema at the age of 2 years when their families kept a dog, an effect that could be observed in all social classes. In contrast, dog ownership was associated with a higher prevalence of allergy symptoms in children with a family history of allergic diseases.

二、Infant respiratory symptoms in relation to mite allergen exposure(原文網址http://www.ersj.org.uk/content/9/5/926.full.pdf)
摘要：Although no objective measurements of respiratory symptoms were available, the results of this study suggest that exposure to mite allergen in early life may lead to respiratory symptoms that are suggestive of airway obstruction in the first year of life.

phantom

phantom 發表於 2013-2-20 18:20
寵物與過敏的相關研究

有許多國外的醫學研究報告顯示寵物(貓及狗)易 誘發/導致/引起 幼兒過敏現象，另有許 ...

三、HPR Rescue CEO對那些認為寵物導致幼兒過敏而想要rehome寵物的 owner 提出公開呼籲如下：
標題：ALLERGIES TO PETS... (原文網址http://members.petfinder.org/~FL ... TO%20PETS%20PDF.pdf)

Way too often I come across situations where pet owners want to rehome
their pets because of allergies.
And way to often when I talk to pet owners I come to find out that the reason of why they want to re-home their pets is because their doctor said it was the cat or the dog that is causing the allergy.
I can personally relate to the above as when I first started with my allergies. My allergist asked me:
Do you have cats?
I said: Yes
So he said:
Well, the first thing you have to do is get rid of your cats!!!
What is very upsetting to me is that some doctors are quick to blame the cat or the dog or whatever animal in the household for peoples allergies and they do nothing to back up such a statement, like the underlined above. Meaning that before performing any allergy test of any kind, they just right of the bat tell patients that is the animal causing the problem. It is more upsetting when Doctors tell parents of New born babies that their baby's allergy is due to the cat!
And I say the cat because it is usually the cat that is to blame. It is a fact that an allergic reaction begins with the body recognizing the foreign particle (called an allergen) through the use of special proteins called immunoglobulins (IgE). The
body can make a very specific IgE protein for each specific allergen. Baby's immune system is not fully functioning, so the IgE they have does not necessarily work. Baby's also have not been alive long enough to be exposed to the allergens, become sensitized, and produce enough IgE to cause symptoms. It takes time to build up enough IgE to have allergic reactions, the period to be known is longer than a year. With the above being said it is nearly impossible that new born babies can develop allergies to pets or allergies at all. In most cases baby's allergies are due to food. Studies from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious deceases show that:
Children raised in a house with two or more dogs or cats during the first year of life may be less likely to develop allergic diseases as compared with children raised without pets (http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/n ... 2/petallergyrsk.htm)
Unfortunately cats are more likely to be blame for causing allergies in households than dogs.
What is cat allergy:
The real culprit appears to be cat saliva which contains an allergen that is a protein called Fel d 1. When a cat washes itself, saliva is deposited on its fur.
The saliva dries into dust (dander or dandruff) which is released when a cat scratches or moves and when humans stroke or brush a cat. All cats wash, even those that lack hair altogether.
The dust forms on all types of cat hair or directly on the cat's skin if it lacks fur this being the case with hairless Sphynx cats.
Although the term "hypoallergenic" means "reduced allergens", many people
misunderstand it to mean "allergen-free".
Contrary to what people believe there are no "non-allergenic" breeds of dogs or cats; even hairless breeds may be highly allergenic.
Breeds such as Poodles for example can be less irritating to people, probably because they are bathed and groomed more often.
Lets say per instance that a person is truly allergic to pets.
When a person has allergies to something regardless of what it is, usually the individual is given allergy shots, what the person is injected with is exactly the subtance/allergen that the person is allergic to, so the individual will build imunity to the allergen over time.
The reason of why I am saying this is because in case of pet allergies is the same concept, if you know what I mean.
See the longer you keep the pet, the more immunity you will build to Fluffy or Fido, you may suffer a little at first, but isn't it well worth it if you had your pets for a long time, and you love them.
For instance many people are allergic to house dust and dust mites, even if you were to move to a new house, the new house will well over time collect dust and dust mites all over again, what do we do, we just cannot keep moving around, so we take medication, shots, etc. so we can build immunity to what we are allergic to, but we do not decide to be homeless and live on the streets because the dust that accumulates in the house. Right?
So why can you practice the same above when it comes to your pet, so you, your allergy and your pets can all live together for many years to come?
Sadly they are many pet owners that re-home their pets without having an allergy test done and after the pet is gone they come to face the fact that their allergies were NOT pet relate it.
Please remember that rescue groups and shelters are often full and might not be able to take your pet in immediately.
Doctors which are anti-pet or anti-cat are more likely to say "get rid of the cat", though the real cause may later be shown to be house-mites, pollen or chemicals in the environment.
By then, it will be to late to retrieve your pet from a shelter or its new home or, worse, it may have been destroyed.
With that being said, pets and allergic pet owners can live happily ever after, all in the same household, it just requires some commitment, will and most of all TOLERANCE.
Are you READY to work it out?

phantom

phantom 發表於 2013-2-20 18:20
三、HPR Rescue CEO對那些認為寵物導致幼兒過敏而想要rehome寵物的 owner 提出公開呼籲如下：
標題：ALLE ...

底下HPR Rescue CEO對於寵物主人的呼籲與建議 (其洋洋灑灑的15點建議，能作到的主人有幾個人？若當中有幾點做不到，是否就代表寵物主人的家人、及與其寵物有可能接觸的任何人，比如搭同一部電梯的其中住戶或是到餐廳等公共場所，嬰幼兒就很可能 誘發/引起 過敏症狀，而出現呼吸方面的問題)
SUGGESTIONS FOR PET ALLERGIES.
1. BEFORE REHOMING YOUR PET DUE TO ALLERGIES,
PLEASE HAVE YOUR DOCTOR TO DO A SPECIFIC ALLERGY TEST FOR PET DANDRUFF.
2. Switch your clay litter to Feline Pine or any other non-clay litter,
The above may not seem important but it has magically cure allergies in many people that have contacted me that want it to re-home their cats.
Clay litter put a lot of dust in the air you breath and also on your pet, it is really not good for neither of you.
3. Wash your hands immediately after you touch your cat to avoid transferring allergens directly from your cat to your eyes, mouth, or skin.
4. Clean. Allergens accumulate and it takes a large amount to produce a reaction in most people, so cleaning and dusting your home every week will reduce your symptoms. Try using a hypoallergenic dusting cloth, which uses static electricity to trap dust particles, instead of dispersing them into the air the way a feather duster would.
5. Brush your cat to remove loose hair and dried saliva. Remove the hair from the brush immediately and put it into a closed trash can.
6. Bathe your cat. If you begin bathing your cat as a kitten and use only very gentle shampoos designed for cats, she may learn to tolerate it.
Please do not leave your cat wet, after bathing, blow dry.
Note: When bathing the cat, do the final rinse with distilled water to wash away dried saliva dust.
Tap water leaves residues on the cat's fur and may make matters worse.
7. Wipe your cat daily with a washcloth, DO NOT use moist towels containing ALOE or TEA TREE OIL as it is highly TOXIC to cats.
8. Here is something you can get RID of-Your carpet. Carpets can hold allergens for years. Also wooden and metal furniture is much easier to clean and keep dust free than plush couches and chairs. You can try tie-on washable chair cushions, and toss them into the wash every couple weeks.
9. Buy washable curtains and blinds, and wash them on a regular basis.
10. Place filters or cheese cloths over all vents, and then wash or replace them frequently.
11. Buy an air purifier. Everyone, whether they are allergic to cats or not, can benefit from the addition of an air filter to their home. These filters will remove allergen particles from the air. HEPA air filters work very well.
12. Create and allergy free zone preferably in your bedroom.
13. Hire someone else to clean your home or ask a non-allergic family member to dust and sweep.
Some allergy sufferers find that they have reactions while cleaning, or that they are simply too busy to clean as well as they should.
Try allergy-reducing pet sprays (LoShed and Allerpet). These are new products and so there aren't many reports or articles on their effectiveness, but they are supposed to reduce dander and shedding, which in turn reduces the number of allergens released into the air.
14. Look into allergy treatments. There are a variety of over the counter and prescription medicines on the market for allergies. Many people report that these medications work well for them, and this has the added benefit of treating all of your allergies at once. You can also get allergy shots from your doctor, but the shots must be administered frequently in the beginning.
Many people are having great success with acupuncture and homeopathic medicine.
Many owners tolerate mild allergies.
Those whose symptoms worsen during moulting seasons find that antihistamine tablets, nasal sprays. can help during these seasons..
15. Designate a room in your house only for the cat or dog and restrict access to the rest of the house. In warm weather climates, outdoor enclosures/screen in porches work very well for cats. If you are absolutely positive that you are allergic to pets or to your pets and you DO NOT want to bother and decide to re-home them.
Please keep these things in mind.

1. NEVER OFFER YOUR PET "FREE TO GOOD"
If you do your pet could easily end up in a research lab or it can be used as bait for people who are engaged in dog fights.
There is good people out there, but there is also bad, so be careful and always charge an adoption fee, even if it is small.
2. If you d ecide to turn your pet into a shelter, please keep in mind that in kill shelters, owner surrender pets are the first ones to be killed, regardless of color, sex or age.
3. Do seek a rescue group to help you place your pet((s).
Many rescue groups are No Kill, so chances are they all full, however since your allergies are most likely NOT going to be gone as soon as you get rid of your pet, please try to work with a rescue group and keep your pet, until a good responsible adopter comes along.
4. Please before re-homing your pet please be sure is SPAY OR NEUTERED.
On another note:
If you are absolutely positive that you are allergic to pets, but always want it to have one.
Below are some things you can do.
1. Volunteer at a shelter or rescue group.
2. Walk a dog or take care of a cat for a neighbor or family. member, if they are sick or when they go on vacation.
3. Sponsor a homeless pet at a shelter or rescue group, this way you will contribute to its upkeep and you can visit the pet as often as you like, for short periods of time so it will not cause much discomfort.
4. If you have an enclosed patio or a screen porch, you may be able to have a pet after all.
Why NOT adopt a FERAL cat.
Feral cats enjoy the company of humans but they do not want to be handdle, they do need food and shelter and they are happiest outdoors.
If you do not have an enclosed area then perhaps you can build one.
Give it a try it is very rewarding.
Celene Albano
HPR Rescue CEO