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標題: 今天在北大吃飯看到這幕真令人生氣!!!! [列印本頁]
作者: ruby071421    時間: 2013-2-16 23:23
標題: 今天在北大吃飯看到這幕真令人生氣!!!!



這明明就是小朋友的座椅，怎麼可以拿來給狗坐!!!!!!!
我不介意有人把狗當自己的小孩養，但請尊重其他有小孩的人!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
這樣下次誰還敢給小朋友坐嬰兒椅
作者: andy58585    時間: 2013-2-17 10:01
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作者: andy58585    時間: 2013-2-17 10:01
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作者: YVONNE4980    時間: 2013-2-17 11:48
不舒服
作者: dingding    時間: 2013-2-17 12:10
店家的態度也很重要
作者: 大雄    時間: 2013-2-17 12:19
鐵板燒嗎？
作者: 樹林焦牛道    時間: 2013-2-17 15:03
應該要叫店家規定...幼兒椅只限親生的才能坐,
作者: 珍愛    時間: 2013-2-17 15:30
抱怨取暖區裡
像這類的文章
從來沒看過愛狗人士出來說說話
可想而知
這些行為在他們眼中
是最最最平常不過了
怎大家都大驚小怪呢??
接下來可能(我說可能啦)會用店裡頭*人用的盤子*裝食物,給~~~狗舔吃
這樣才算一家人一起吃飯嘛
在某些人眼中*狗*跟人一樣,甚至勝過於人
社會亂像無奇不有
自己明擇保身要緊啦
寫那麼多,人家也不會覺得*牠*錯
作者: 珍愛    時間: 2013-2-17 15:36
樓主就別生氣了
當作沒看到吧
不然你可能會氣壞身體喔
因為~~~這樣的場景
在北大是很常看到的
作者: william4bta    時間: 2013-2-18 13:42
樹林焦牛道 發表於 2013-2-17 15:03
應該要叫店家規定...幼兒椅只限親生的才能坐,

哈哈 我笑了!!
作者: 一片雲    時間: 2013-2-18 21:13
如果你很愛狗的話...你就不會這樣說了...我是不愛寵物...但是我覺得這跟我一點關係也沒有...妳管的也太寬了.這年頭很多人愛狗ㄟ...也有很多人跟狗睡呢.這又怎麼說呢?別無聊到這種事情也要說出來.又不是店家東西不好吃.這跟店家一點關係也沒有.你看不習慣的事情太多了...我也是.又能怎樣.你能改變神麼?能改變嗎?妳這樣繪引想店家生意.開一家店不容易.那狗跟店家有關係嗎?我不喜歡動物.我覺得就事論事....
作者: lingoma    時間: 2013-2-19 01:40
本帖最後由 lingoma 於 2013-2-19 04:03 編輯

我愛狗, 我養狗....那些事, 在我看來的確是沒什麼
但是，不表示我贊同該飼主的作為
看到無數和寵物有關的主題,
有人喜以"仇敵"的口吻來批評,挑釁...
好像愛狗人仕各個都有罪...不反應就是理虧...需要這樣嗎?

要說起細菌, 那裡沒有?
孩童的屎尿, 就不髒嗎?  
成人的口水, 就不毒嗎?

(替孩子才換過尿片, 擤過鼻涕, .....確定都洗過手了嗎?)
(當我帶著MayMay拜訪安養院時, 我該不該擔心那些失智老人撫摸MayMay的手是否潔淨呢?)



不過, 我尊重所有的人,
除了寵物店(絕不會禁止寵物進入的地方),
我是不會帶MayMay進"禁止寵物"的場所的.


我覺得, 養寵物是個人的事,
就和要不要生不生小孩是相同的道理...
不管你養不養寵物, 都要懂得互相尊重...

然而，養狗訓育，不能棄養，尤其，出門牽繩的觀念，實在有待加強


家有寵物 孩子身心都健康
https://forum.ibeta.tw/forum.php ... 8&fromuid=17006
家有寵物 孩子身心都健康
（黃文彥）

February 17, 2013
●家中養了三隻貓的陳小姐已懷孕六個月，她即將在今年產下第一胎；聽聞寵物恐為寶寶帶來過敏原，陳小姐一點也不擔心，她仍然打算讓寶寶與三隻貓一起生活。

日前一篇在「兒科醫學期刊」《Pediatrics》期刊的論文，芬蘭Kuopio大學醫學院的研究人員發現，家中有寵物的新生兒，比沒有寵物的新生兒更健康。研究結論表示，新生兒接觸貓狗，可以降低呼吸道疾病的發病率。

這篇研究發現也同樣支持台北市獸醫師公會理事長楊靜宇的觀點。他說，除非新生兒本身就有過敏體質，否則家中寵物不僅能提高新生兒免疫力，更有助於穩定情緒。

事實上，除了提高新生兒免疫力外，倫敦大學針對2000名九到十歲的幼童調查也發現，家中有養狗的小孩較活潑。台灣國泰醫院臨床心理師黃淑惠說，寵物確實是刺激的來源，尤其對於發育階段的新生兒，透過撫摸、感覺，更能培養他們的認知功能。

「寵物不會說話，跟同樣還不會說話的小寶寶，通常能一拍即合。」黃淑惠表示，寵物通常是歡樂的來源，新生兒能在與寵物互動的過程獲得快樂；無論是看著家人或自己照護寵物，也能體會生命的真諦。

對於不少人擔心，寵物是傳染病與過敏原的來源，黃淑惠說，寵物是自然界的一部分，自然生活本來就充滿許多病原體及過敏原，對於長期居住在都會區的人來說，能與自然互動才能體會自然的生活。

陳小姐養貓的經驗更勝於小寶寶，這三隻貓已經跟她生活超過四年，她說，「養動物反而會讓小朋友對過敏有多一點的抵抗力。」
作者: 戀家    時間: 2013-2-19 12:59
哈哈哈！看這篇和回應！都是很有理的！
我只能說，我曾有一隻1.6kg的小型老狗！有次社區的女警衛碰到我家的狗說：我怕狗，趕快把它帶走！
1.6kg的老狗一腳就踢死了吧！虧妳還當警衛？
另外一個鄰居有隻紅毛貴賓，幾乎都是抱在手上的，從不落外面的地，有次我看她抱著說：好可愛喔！。。想摸一下，門都沒有
她媽說：牠剛洗完藻。。。。意思是：我可別污染牠！
能說什麼呢！
什麼人都有，沒什麼奇怪的！
作者: 我不喝奶    時間: 2013-2-20 00:04
暗自列為拒絕往來戶唄！
做吃的東西，本應注重衛生的！
作者: 7689    時間: 2013-2-20 12:07
william4bta 發表於 2013-2-18 13:42
哈哈 我笑了!!

他說不定會說我把他當親生的一樣~
我也養寵物不過沒這樣照顧啦~可能我不夠用心吧~
作者: 美好生活    時間: 2013-2-20 12:34
這真的太有趣了...說真的, 大家要彼此尊重有孩子和有小狗的人....但是器具使用應該要有分別吧
作者: rainbow    時間: 2013-2-20 14:57
lingoma 發表於 2013-2-19 01:40
我愛狗, 我養狗....那些事, 在我看來的確是沒什麼
但是，不表示我贊同該飼主的作為
看到無數和寵物有關的主 ...

雖然"實際操作層面"上我很怕狗
(因為被咬過)

不過"精神層面上"我覺得狗很可愛
(看太多卡通  像小英的故事  龍龍與忠狗  靈犬雪麗之類)

將心比心   我可以理解一些些您說的感覺
就像帶小孩出門
雖然我家小孩不吵鬧  也不會穿著鞋子在椅子上踩
但我們也有過一上飛機  座位附近的人看到孩子就說"真倒楣  有小孩"
可是我家小孩可比那人安靜多了  安靜看書  畫畫  看卡通  睡覺
下機時很多人還很驚訝說都沒發現有小朋友
也有過去家庭餐廳  都還沒入座  就被嫌棄說小孩子很吵  被人冷眼相對
看著乖乖在座位上畫畫的孩子(我都會自備紙筆  在等餐時給小孩打發時間)
我還覺得那位嫌棄我們的老兄  一直大聲嫌棄小孩  
在周圍一片說話聲中清楚聽見他的聲音  才真的是吵鬧又無禮吧!
不過  放任孩子在公共場所大聲吵鬧頑皮的家長真的存在
難免會先入為主  
就如像您一樣認真教育愛狗的飼主雖然很多
但只要有一兩個比較難接受的行為   
不好的刻板印象就很需要時間和經驗來扭轉了
所以  很希望像您一樣負責任的愛狗朋友越來越多  
如果將來北大有一些寵物友善餐廳  讓寵物們可以和飼主一起安心用餐也很好

同樣的  將心比心  我也可以理解樓主的心情
我自己有小孩之後 也是很長一段時間都帶著抗菌液到處噴
我想不管是狗兒還是小孩使用過
應該可以建議餐廳清潔消毒後再放回去供下一位客人使用
要不就自備抗菌液噴一噴  會比較安心

大家互相交流想法  雖然不見得會有共識  
但總可以看出多數人的底線在哪裡
了解了底線  互相尊重也就比較容易執行了~
作者: phantom    時間: 2013-2-20 18:20
寵物與過敏的相關研究

有許多國外的醫學研究報告顯示寵物(貓及狗)易 誘發/導致/引起 幼兒過敏現象，另有許多寵物引發成人過敏症狀的醫學研究報告，其中有許多是與呼吸系統相關的症狀。有些特別的案例是，寵物的毛屑所誘發的過敏問題，甚至會導致睡眠呼吸中止症。底下只摘取兩篇以幼兒為研究對象，且被引用次數較多的研究報告，供網友們參考。若想進一步了解寵物引起過敏的問題，可在google輸入「pets and allergy」的關鍵字，使用進階蒐詢，設定只找pdf的檔案，就可以看到許多的醫學研究報告顯示及確認寵物與過敏相關，特別是幼兒的免疫系統尚未健全，更容易導致過敏的症狀。

然而HPR Rescue顯然有另一番說法，其CEO引用一份由 National Institute of Allergy and Infectious deceases所作的研究報告對那些因寵物導致幼兒過敏而想要rehome寵物的 owner 提出公開呼籲。
(Multiple Pets May Decrease Children's Allergy Risk http://www.niaid.nih.gov/news/ne ... /petallergyrsk.aspx)，該報告表示寵物上的細菌反而可以抑制過敏反應，激發免疫系統…(These bacteria release molecules called endotoxins, and endotoxins are believed to shift the developing immune system away from responding to allergens through a class of lymphocytes called Th-2 cells, which are associated with allergic reactions. Instead, endotoxins may stimulate the immune system to activate Th-1 cells, which may block allergic reactions.)
為平衡報導，因此也在下方引用HPR Rescue CEO的公開呼籲。
然而，值得注意的是，National Institute of Allergy and Infectious deceases所作的這篇研究報告，其開頭指明「Children raised in a house with two or more dogs or cats during the first year of life may be less likely to develop allergic diseases as compared with children raised without pets」，但並無法說明其結論是否適用於偶而接觸的幼兒(比如未飼養寵物的家庭)？也未說明各種不同體質的小孩(比如有些幼兒天生體弱)在偶而接觸的情況下是否仍適用這樣的結論？其比例又是多少？對於東方人的體質是否有同樣的結論等等？
總之，從google查得到的資料顯示，寵物會引起過敏的文獻數目遠逺超過這一篇文獻。該相信誰的結論，網友須自行判斷。
一、Exposure to Pets and the Risk of Allergic Symptoms During the First 2 Years of Life (原文網址http://www.jiaci.org/issues/vol17issue05/4.pdf)
摘要結論(Brief Result & Discussion)：
Among the 1881 2-year-old children, 432 (23%) showed symptoms of allergic disease (boys, 24.8%; girls, 21.2%). The majority of them showed symptoms of eczema (69.4%), 34.3% had physician-diagnosed asthma or chronic obstructive bronchitis, and only 2 children had physician-diagnosed hay fever.
In children without family history of allergic disease the presence of a pet in the home at the time of birth was associated with a nonsignifi cant trend towards less allergic symptoms. Only dog ownership displayed a signifi cant association with a lower risk of allergic symptoms in children with no family history of atopic disease. In children with a family history of allergic disease there was a trend towards increased risk among those exposed to dogs in the home at the time of birth. In this birth cohort study we found that newborns without a family history of allergic disease had a lower prevalence of asthma and eczema at the age of 2 years when their families kept a dog, an effect that could be observed in all social classes. In contrast, dog ownership was associated with a higher prevalence of allergy symptoms in children with a family history of allergic diseases.

二、Infant respiratory symptoms in relation to mite allergen exposure(原文網址http://www.ersj.org.uk/content/9/5/926.full.pdf)
摘要：Although no objective measurements of respiratory symptoms were available, the results of this study suggest that exposure to mite allergen in early life may lead to respiratory symptoms that are suggestive of airway obstruction in the first year of life.

作者: phantom    時間: 2013-2-20 18:20
phantom 發表於 2013-2-20 18:20
寵物與過敏的相關研究

有許多國外的醫學研究報告顯示寵物(貓及狗)易 誘發/導致/引起 幼兒過敏現象，另有許 ...

三、HPR Rescue CEO對那些認為寵物導致幼兒過敏而想要rehome寵物的 owner 提出公開呼籲如下：
標題：ALLERGIES TO PETS... (原文網址http://members.petfinder.org/~FL ... TO%20PETS%20PDF.pdf)

Way too often I come across situations where pet owners want to rehome
their pets because of allergies.
And way to often when I talk to pet owners I come to find out that the reason of why they want to re-home their pets is because their doctor said it was the cat or the dog that is causing the allergy.
I can personally relate to the above as when I first started with my allergies. My allergist asked me:
Do you have cats?
I said: Yes
So he said:
Well, the first thing you have to do is get rid of your cats!!!
What is very upsetting to me is that some doctors are quick to blame the cat or the dog or whatever animal in the household for peoples allergies and they do nothing to back up such a statement, like the underlined above. Meaning that before performing any allergy test of any kind, they just right of the bat tell patients that is the animal causing the problem. It is more upsetting when Doctors tell parents of New born babies that their baby's allergy is due to the cat!
And I say the cat because it is usually the cat that is to blame. It is a fact that an allergic reaction begins with the body recognizing the foreign particle (called an allergen) through the use of special proteins called immunoglobulins (IgE). The
body can make a very specific IgE protein for each specific allergen. Baby's immune system is not fully functioning, so the IgE they have does not necessarily work. Baby's also have not been alive long enough to be exposed to the allergens, become sensitized, and produce enough IgE to cause symptoms. It takes time to build up enough IgE to have allergic reactions, the period to be known is longer than a year. With the above being said it is nearly impossible that new born babies can develop allergies to pets or allergies at all. In most cases baby's allergies are due to food. Studies from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious deceases show that:
Children raised in a house with two or more dogs or cats during the first year of life may be less likely to develop allergic diseases as compared with children raised without pets (http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/n ... 2/petallergyrsk.htm)
Unfortunately cats are more likely to be blame for causing allergies in households than dogs.
What is cat allergy:
The real culprit appears to be cat saliva which contains an allergen that is a protein called Fel d 1. When a cat washes itself, saliva is deposited on its fur.
The saliva dries into dust (dander or dandruff) which is released when a cat scratches or moves and when humans stroke or brush a cat. All cats wash, even those that lack hair altogether.
The dust forms on all types of cat hair or directly on the cat's skin if it lacks fur this being the case with hairless Sphynx cats.
Although the term "hypoallergenic" means "reduced allergens", many people
misunderstand it to mean "allergen-free".
Contrary to what people believe there are no "non-allergenic" breeds of dogs or cats; even hairless breeds may be highly allergenic.
Breeds such as Poodles for example can be less irritating to people, probably because they are bathed and groomed more often.
Lets say per instance that a person is truly allergic to pets.
When a person has allergies to something regardless of what it is, usually the individual is given allergy shots, what the person is injected with is exactly the subtance/allergen that the person is allergic to, so the individual will build imunity to the allergen over time.
The reason of why I am saying this is because in case of pet allergies is the same concept, if you know what I mean.
See the longer you keep the pet, the more immunity you will build to Fluffy or Fido, you may suffer a little at first, but isn't it well worth it if you had your pets for a long time, and you love them.
For instance many people are allergic to house dust and dust mites, even if you were to move to a new house, the new house will well over time collect dust and dust mites all over again, what do we do, we just cannot keep moving around, so we take medication, shots, etc. so we can build immunity to what we are allergic to, but we do not decide to be homeless and live on the streets because the dust that accumulates in the house. Right?
So why can you practice the same above when it comes to your pet, so you, your allergy and your pets can all live together for many years to come?
Sadly they are many pet owners that re-home their pets without having an allergy test done and after the pet is gone they come to face the fact that their allergies were NOT pet relate it.
Please remember that rescue groups and shelters are often full and might not be able to take your pet in immediately.
Doctors which are anti-pet or anti-cat are more likely to say "get rid of the cat", though the real cause may later be shown to be house-mites, pollen or chemicals in the environment.
By then, it will be to late to retrieve your pet from a shelter or its new home or, worse, it may have been destroyed.
With that being said, pets and allergic pet owners can live happily ever after, all in the same household, it just requires some commitment, will and most of all TOLERANCE.
Are you READY to work it out?
作者: phantom    時間: 2013-2-20 18:21
phantom 發表於 2013-2-20 18:20
三、HPR Rescue CEO對那些認為寵物導致幼兒過敏而想要rehome寵物的 owner 提出公開呼籲如下：
標題：ALLE ...

底下HPR Rescue CEO對於寵物主人的呼籲與建議 (其洋洋灑灑的15點建議，能作到的主人有幾個人？若當中有幾點做不到，是否就代表寵物主人的家人、及與其寵物有可能接觸的任何人，比如搭同一部電梯的其中住戶或是到餐廳等公共場所，嬰幼兒就很可能 誘發/引起 過敏症狀，而出現呼吸方面的問題)
SUGGESTIONS FOR PET ALLERGIES.
1. BEFORE REHOMING YOUR PET DUE TO ALLERGIES,
PLEASE HAVE YOUR DOCTOR TO DO A SPECIFIC ALLERGY TEST FOR PET DANDRUFF.
2. Switch your clay litter to Feline Pine or any other non-clay litter,
The above may not seem important but it has magically cure allergies in many people that have contacted me that want it to re-home their cats.
Clay litter put a lot of dust in the air you breath and also on your pet, it is really not good for neither of you.
3. Wash your hands immediately after you touch your cat to avoid transferring allergens directly from your cat to your eyes, mouth, or skin.
4. Clean. Allergens accumulate and it takes a large amount to produce a reaction in most people, so cleaning and dusting your home every week will reduce your symptoms. Try using a hypoallergenic dusting cloth, which uses static electricity to trap dust particles, instead of dispersing them into the air the way a feather duster would.
5. Brush your cat to remove loose hair and dried saliva. Remove the hair from the brush immediately and put it into a closed trash can.
6. Bathe your cat. If you begin bathing your cat as a kitten and use only very gentle shampoos designed for cats, she may learn to tolerate it.
Please do not leave your cat wet, after bathing, blow dry.
Note: When bathing the cat, do the final rinse with distilled water to wash away dried saliva dust.
Tap water leaves residues on the cat's fur and may make matters worse.
7. Wipe your cat daily with a washcloth, DO NOT use moist towels containing ALOE or TEA TREE OIL as it is highly TOXIC to cats.
8. Here is something you can get RID of-Your carpet. Carpets can hold allergens for years. Also wooden and metal furniture is much easier to clean and keep dust free than plush couches and chairs. You can try tie-on washable chair cushions, and toss them into the wash every couple weeks.
9. Buy washable curtains and blinds, and wash them on a regular basis.
10. Place filters or cheese cloths over all vents, and then wash or replace them frequently.
11. Buy an air purifier. Everyone, whether they are allergic to cats or not, can benefit from the addition of an air filter to their home. These filters will remove allergen particles from the air. HEPA air filters work very well.
12. Create and allergy free zone preferably in your bedroom.
13. Hire someone else to clean your home or ask a non-allergic family member to dust and sweep.
Some allergy sufferers find that they have reactions while cleaning, or that they are simply too busy to clean as well as they should.
Try allergy-reducing pet sprays (LoShed and Allerpet). These are new products and so there aren't many reports or articles on their effectiveness, but they are supposed to reduce dander and shedding, which in turn reduces the number of allergens released into the air.
14. Look into allergy treatments. There are a variety of over the counter and prescription medicines on the market for allergies. Many people report that these medications work well for them, and this has the added benefit of treating all of your allergies at once. You can also get allergy shots from your doctor, but the shots must be administered frequently in the beginning.
Many people are having great success with acupuncture and homeopathic medicine.
Many owners tolerate mild allergies.
Those whose symptoms worsen during moulting seasons find that antihistamine tablets, nasal sprays. can help during these seasons..
15. Designate a room in your house only for the cat or dog and restrict access to the rest of the house. In warm weather climates, outdoor enclosures/screen in porches work very well for cats. If you are absolutely positive that you are allergic to pets or to your pets and you DO NOT want to bother and decide to re-home them.
Please keep these things in mind.

1. NEVER OFFER YOUR PET "FREE TO GOOD"
If you do your pet could easily end up in a research lab or it can be used as bait for people who are engaged in dog fights.
There is good people out there, but there is also bad, so be careful and always charge an adoption fee, even if it is small.
2. If you d ecide to turn your pet into a shelter, please keep in mind that in kill shelters, owner surrender pets are the first ones to be killed, regardless of color, sex or age.
3. Do seek a rescue group to help you place your pet((s).
Many rescue groups are No Kill, so chances are they all full, however since your allergies are most likely NOT going to be gone as soon as you get rid of your pet, please try to work with a rescue group and keep your pet, until a good responsible adopter comes along.
4. Please before re-homing your pet please be sure is SPAY OR NEUTERED.
On another note:
If you are absolutely positive that you are allergic to pets, but always want it to have one.
Below are some things you can do.
1. Volunteer at a shelter or rescue group.
2. Walk a dog or take care of a cat for a neighbor or family. member, if they are sick or when they go on vacation.
3. Sponsor a homeless pet at a shelter or rescue group, this way you will contribute to its upkeep and you can visit the pet as often as you like, for short periods of time so it will not cause much discomfort.
4. If you have an enclosed patio or a screen porch, you may be able to have a pet after all.
Why NOT adopt a FERAL cat.
Feral cats enjoy the company of humans but they do not want to be handdle, they do need food and shelter and they are happiest outdoors.
If you do not have an enclosed area then perhaps you can build one.
Give it a try it is very rewarding.
Celene Albano
HPR Rescue CEO
作者: Caylin    時間: 2013-2-23 15:11
本帖最後由 Caylin 於 2013-2-23 15:14 編輯

我好好奇....
今天若是愛豬人士/愛老鼠/愛蟑螂人士
把豬/老鼠/一箱的蟑螂放到餐桌幼兒椅子上，或是直接放到餐桌上
(我也看過把狗直接放在餐桌上的)
大家也能接受嗎?不會覺得【不舒服】嗎?
雖然這四種是不同動物
但只要是喜歡他們的人，大家不都該接受?

PS.我只要想了解各位的意見而已....
作者: sugar100    時間: 2013-2-24 00:43
戀家 發表於 2013-2-19 12:59
哈哈哈！看這篇和回應！都是很有理的！
我只能說，我曾有一隻1.6kg的小型老狗！有次社區的女警衛碰到我家的 ...

我有一隻眼鏡蛇寵物從來不會咬人
可以讓牠自由出來溜溜嗎?
他只是寵物而已.有什麼好怕的呢?不會主動傷害人啊
你不挑釁牠.牠怎會攻擊你呢?
要是不信的話.你也可以抓住牠把玩一番.就知道了

寵物而已.有什麼好怕的呢
何況牠從來不會咬人
作者: 戀家    時間: 2013-2-24 14:30
本帖最後由 戀家 於 2013-2-24 15:01 編輯
sugar100 發表於 2013-2-24 00:43
我有一隻眼鏡蛇寵物從來不會咬人
可以讓牠自由出來溜溜嗎?
他只是寵物而已.有什麼好怕的呢?不會主動傷害 ...


你這樣叫挑釁！
我這樣說法不是說：怕狗的人不應該！而是怕任何事物是否也該視情況！或者養狗的人也該視狗狀況！非一昧的把狗當人！
就如同：我養狗，但也不代表所有狗我都喜歡，我不怕狗? 去看看獒犬!
而你若真有一隻眼鏡蛇把玩！那我服你！帶出玩玩！我奉陪！
否則這叫挑釁！擺明就是不爽！只會耍嘴皮子！
最好你把你的蛇帶出來！最好那是的寵物！最好你天天跟它親親！最好也都不主動傷人！最好你可以溜它
否則就是....仔而已！只會畫虎爛！
要這樣畫虎爛可以講得很多拉! 你也可以說:有老虎,有獅子,狐狸,豹......殺人鯨........隨便掰! 爽了吧!
作者: sugarmin    時間: 2013-2-24 14:43
我看了也不舒服耶~~

即使跟狗一起坐並不會感染任何疾病
但是我從小就不喜歡碰到狗和有毛的動物
所以狗坐過的地方我也會覺得噁心

我覺得養狗的人當然可以愛狗
但是一定也有人不喜歡狗
跟疾病衛生無關  就是不喜歡接觸
如果店家會讓狗坐在兒童椅上
我應該也不會帶著孩子去這個店家吃飯哩~

作者: sugar100    時間: 2013-2-25 12:25
本帖最後由 sugar100 於 2013-2-25 12:28 編輯
戀家 發表於 2013-2-24 14:30
你這樣叫挑釁！
我這樣說法不是說：怕狗的人不應該！而是怕任何事物是否也該視情況！或者養狗的人也該視 ...


您心目中不會傷人的老弱小型狗.卻可能是別人心目中的小毒蛇(我曾有一隻1.6kg的小型老狗！有次社區的女警衛碰到我家的狗說：我怕狗，趕快把它帶走！)

您有沒有想到這一點
行有不得反求諸己
作者: 戀家    時間: 2013-2-25 14:44
本帖最後由 戀家 於 2013-2-25 14:56 編輯
sugar100 發表於 2013-2-25 12:25
您心目中不會傷人的老弱小型狗.卻可能是別人心目中的小毒蛇(我曾有一隻1.6kg的小型老狗！有次社區的女警 ...


不需要你在這裡行公義自以為是! 你這麼行,何不站在馬路口,各餐廳口行使你的公義!

我在講甚麼,你自已搞不清楚,還很自以為是,算啥~~需要你來唬爛教訓人??

如果有人怕狗,我也很尊重,我從不去評論如何養狗或怕狗的人! 但重點那是社區請的警衛,且驚嚇之行徑,我的確很不以為然!

我的確馬上告知社區管理經理,這樣的人適合協助社區的保安工作嗎?? 社區花錢請的是警衛,應該不是嬌弱的貴婦或小姐吧!

你認為對的,那是你家的事,請別把自以為的,強諸在別人身上,也不需你來論斷教訓! 你家社區要請這樣的警衛,請便! 請別在這唬爛且教訓人!!

這麼愛把別人說明的事項拿來挑釁,教訓人! 你當自以為了不起! 何不去當監察院長??
作者: sugar100    時間: 2013-2-25 14:59
本帖最後由 sugar100 於 2013-2-25 15:07 編輯

"你認為對的,那是你家的事,請別把自以為的,強諸在別人身上"
這句話是你自己說的.送給你自己最適當不過了


我只不過是說我有養一條條蛇.可以讓牠自由出來溜溜嗎?
生什麼氣呢
作者: 戀家    時間: 2013-2-25 20:58
本帖最後由 戀家 於 2013-2-25 21:05 編輯
sugar100 發表於 2013-2-25 14:59
"你認為對的,那是你家的事,請別把自以為的,強諸在別人身上"
這句話是你自己說的.送給你自己最適當不過了{:4 ...


你要講什麼是你的自由！但若指著別人的反應，還用畫唬爛的方式講擺明就是挑釁！
除非證明你真有條蛇！
用畫唬爛的方式去影射指責別人的觀點算高明有道理？
不然你要說你家有動物園有什麼，我都看看就算了！我沒那麼閒，也沒有興趣！
到處都有人在唬爛，也沒什麼大不了的！
網絡的禮貌應該懂！再不懂我也無話可講！
作者: 雞婆    時間: 2013-3-1 19:05
感覺有人血壓爆表了!
作者: Tony    時間: 2013-3-2 23:49
本帖最後由 Tony 於 2013-3-3 08:03 編輯

請大家幫忙按下舉報，看來有人是需要休息幾天一下，情緒激動到發言對人身攻擊，
為了(他/她)的健康，以免爆血管，幫她/他的發言按下舉報囉
感謝!
作者: rita711113    時間: 2013-3-6 12:54
看到這個,下次去餐廳會先擦擦兒童椅再讓孩子坐了~~~謝謝你~
作者: kwbaseball2002    時間: 2013-3-6 20:34
一片雲 發表於 2013-2-18 21:13
如果你很愛狗的話...你就不會這樣說了...我是不愛寵物...但是我覺得這跟我一點關係也沒有...妳管的也太寬了 ...

what are you talking about?
作者: kwbaseball2002    時間: 2013-3-6 20:37
哇咧....
人要坐的(且又在餐廳),別讓狗坐...
不就好了....
不要吵了.....

有人就是天生怕狗...也別批評怕狗的人!
像我就不怕蛇...以前還養過蛇!
作者: 幸運香    時間: 2013-3-15 11:34
這家店絕對不去了
作者: momohuang76    時間: 2013-3-18 09:12
大家要發揮同理心~
人坐的，別再拿來給狗坐
要不，就弄一個專屬狗坐的~
作者: 小旦    時間: 2013-3-18 11:50
rita711113 發表於 2013-3-6 12:54
看到這個,下次去餐廳會先擦擦兒童椅再讓孩子坐了~~~謝謝你~

我也是!又加上小朋友有時都把掉在桌上的東西拿起來吃!做父母的真的是要注意
作者: rita711113    時間: 2013-3-18 12:12
小旦 發表於 2013-3-18 11:50
我也是!又加上小朋友有時都把掉在桌上的東西拿起來吃!做父母的真的是要注意 ...

沒錯沒錯~~有時小人不想坐硬要她坐,看到這個突然覺得有把小人孩推入火坑的感覺~~
作者: 小旦    時間: 2013-3-18 12:16
rita711113 發表於 2013-3-18 12:12
沒錯沒錯~~有時小人不想坐硬要她坐,看到這個突然覺得有把小人孩推入火坑的感覺~~ ...

我們家的倒還願意座!但是一看到畫面再想到小朋友老是在桌上拿東西吃摸來摸去.........整個就想到哎啊
作者: 文兒    時間: 2013-3-18 16:09
就是人跟狗的座椅分開就好了^^餐廳又多一項服務了，商機無限^^
作者: lingoma    時間: 2013-3-18 21:20
本帖最後由 lingoma 於 2013-3-18 22:34 編輯

說實在的, 不管狗有沒有坐過兒童座椅, 都該再擦一遍

我相信打烊後, 任何餐廳都一樣,  小強們都會出來開party

小強牠們什麼地方不爬, 會比狗乾淨嗎?

所以, 不要想這麼多, 再想下去就得自己回家煮來吃

作者: 珍愛    時間: 2013-3-19 09:05
唉~~~就是有這種人
作者: 春曉櫻    時間: 2013-4-20 22:56
樹林焦牛道 發表於 2013-2-17 15:03
應該要叫店家規定...幼兒椅只限親生的才能坐,

哈哈哈!!
算你狠!!
作者: fmblacktea    時間: 2013-4-21 01:25
有小朋友的家長,更能感同身受
作者: 青蛙儀    時間: 2013-4-21 01:58
一片雲 發表於 2013-2-18 21:13
如果你很愛狗的話...你就不會這樣說了...我是不愛寵物...但是我覺得這跟我一點關係也沒有...妳管的也太寬了 ...

我覺得有需要管

你/別人的孩子

坐在那被狗踩過的位子上，

感染什麼病的話。

良心也會過意不去吧


這並不是愛不愛犬隻的問題，是衛生問題。
作者: amy1215    時間: 2013-4-28 23:24
本帖最後由 amy1215 於 2013-4-28 23:27 編輯

真的太誇張了,是說桌上有牠的食物嗎?需要讓牠坐這麼高?
如果狗兒突然打噴涕怎麼辦? 附近的人都吃不下去了吧 !
作者: s79744105    時間: 2013-4-29 01:47
還蠻扯的 不過可以跟店家反映看看 .....
作者: LuLu5588    時間: 2013-5-1 17:53
店家應該也是有苦難言吧！
作者: hui_ching    時間: 2013-5-2 11:52
如果當時是我坐在旁邊我會當場離開吧！非常讓人不舒服，不過比較大的問題應該是飼主，店家也不想得罪客人吧！
作者: caro廖    時間: 2013-5-2 23:39
樹林焦牛道 發表於 2013-2-17 15:03
應該要叫店家規定...幼兒椅只限親生的才能坐,

你.....你.......你.........
泥七五偶生不出來
作者: didy    時間: 2013-5-3 19:12
caro廖 發表於 2013-5-2 23:39
你.....你.......你.........
泥七五偶生不出來

沒啦 應該是說笑的
其實還是會希望大家都能夠互相尊重啦
畢竟是寵物 即使是親如家人 在外面還是要尊重一下別人

但店家可能也是兩難  即使不願意 當場也不想得罪客人就是了
只是不知道那張兒童座椅 後來有沒有特別清潔過就是了

除非寵物餐廳 不然其實都不該帶寵物進去的
或者要用攜帶的袋子 讓牠乖乖在裡面待著吧

不然自己覺得有多可愛 在害怕的人眼裡都是很驚懼的
作者: caro廖    時間: 2013-5-6 04:54
didy 發表於 2013-5-3 19:12
沒啦 應該是說笑的
其實還是會希望大家都能夠互相尊重啦
畢竟是寵物 即使是親如家人 在外面還是要尊重一 ...

謝謝你安慰我受傷的心靈
雖然我也是開玩笑的
如你所說
真的是大家彼此包容.尊重^^
作者: yokolin    時間: 2013-5-6 14:56
我覺得 那主人真的有點誇張 我本身也有養狗 可是如果是給小寶寶小朋友"吃飯"坐的椅子 應該最好避免把狗直接放在椅子上吧
不論狗有沒有落地 但畢竟寵物身上的細菌或是跳蚤或蟲蟲之類的  還是可能遺留在椅子上  如果店家又沒有消毒清潔
那下一個坐在上面吃飯的小朋友 真的很可憐...

作者: 許傑森    時間: 2013-5-8 12:05
又是一個沒公德心的人，毛小孩雖然是寶，但也要顧及別人的感受，店家也要制止，這樣誰家的小朋友還敢座呀！
作者: 樂活3樓    時間: 2013-5-22 12:09
...........
作者: f737788    時間: 2013-6-30 22:58
真沒公德心  因該立即舉發
作者: Angelniya    時間: 2013-7-3 12:23

我看到也會不舒服。無論任何動物，身上可能都帶有對動物無害但對人類卻有害的病菌，
誰希望讓小孩冒險？

以前家裡也有養狗，如果是我自己養狗卻沒注意到衛生導致小孩生病，那叫做活該~
可是如果是因為店家或消費者的問題，導致不知情的我們讓小孩染上疾病，那就相當無言了。

天知道飼主認為的乾淨，到底有多乾淨，是不是百分百不會帶有讓小孩生病的病菌？
就算大人(飼主)染上無害無徵兆，但免疫力尚弱的小朋友呢？

不怕一萬，只怕萬一。
這是為人父母的心聲....

作者: Q爸    時間: 2013-7-3 12:58
店家不想得罪一個客人，但是可能會損失一群客人，畢竟用餐環境的衛生是店家該負責的...



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