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作者: BasePX 時間: 2012-5-18 20:39
標題: SPEED KILLS?? OR...??
I find this commentary on today's United Daily News. There are a few very interesting view points. One in particular is that about the speed limit:

" ... 眾所皆知，台灣駕駛執照考取制度的八股與不合時宜，造成了台灣駕駛者駕駛技術、駕駛道德與觀念良莠不齊的情形，加上道路設計與相關法規的落後，道路亂象時有所見。正確的路權觀念，與近年來所倡導的防禦駕駛觀念，難以充分徹底的落實與教育，所造成的意外難以計數外，往往於交通意外事故中，容易有大車欺小車的印象，並會有著路權丟一旁、速度快者為錯的錯誤觀念。也因如此，當雪山隧道發生如此重大意外時，各方學者專家於第一時間丟出的解決建議，往往也是因循過去，以「慢」為解決之道..."

全文網址: 降限速就安全？隧道意外探究 - http://mag.udn.com/mag/car/storypage.jsp?f_ART_ID=388509

作者: BasePX 時間: 2012-5-18 20:45
Traffic jam starts with ONE slow vehicle that was doing below the speed of the flow (not 限速), then every other vehicle will need to go around this slower vehicle, that constant lane-changing behind/around the slow vehicle will have an ill-affect on the smooth flow of the traffic. The more the number of the vehicle on the road, the more pronounced the ill-effect will be. Walla!! there is the "traffic Jam."

作者: dingding 時間: 2012-5-18 21:42
最後決議是拉長大車的安全距離

作者: johnshuetw 時間: 2012-5-18 21:48
您是說,肇事多為快之結果,但其前因為相對其他車"過慢"所造成的,

作者: BasePX 時間: 2012-5-18 21:49

dingding 發表於 2012-5-18 06:42
最後決議是拉長大車的安全距離

They had me worried for a while. I am so glad they did not touch the speed limit.

作者: BasePX 時間: 2012-5-18 22:06

johnshuetw 發表於 2012-5-18 06:48
您是說,肇事多為快之結果,但其前因為相對其他車"過慢"所造成的,

No, I did not say 肇事多為快之結果. Nor did I say 因為相對其他車"過慢"所造成的. I did not say any of that. I was just quoting a passage from the news paper, I do not make judgement nor I will ever say who or what was the cause of any accident.

One slower vehicle will have an ill-affect on the smooth flow of the traffic. As a rock in the middle of a river. But the nature has its way to cop with the blockage of the flow by increasing the speed around the blockage. thus no water jam will every form.

In a man-made environment, like a slow car in the traffic, unlike the water flow in the nature, the traffic flow will slow down around the obstruction instead of speeding up, thus the "traffic jam" forms.

作者: ketsu019 時間: 2012-5-19 10:19

johnshuetw 發表於 2012-5-18 21:48
您是說,肇事多為快之結果,但其前因為相對其他車"過慢"所造成的,

他的意思是肇事主因不見得全是快

但是塞車是因為前面有慢車造成的蝴蝶效應

所以台灣不應該再降低速限了

這很明顯的火燒車起因是未保持安全距離

台灣卻一味的只想要放慢速限

根本就不是對症下藥的解決之道

不過台灣官員從來也不是以解決事情為主要

是以怎樣不挨罵能應付過去為上策

否則拉大安全距離有甚麼意義

現今規定的安全距離難道會不夠嗎??

問題是駕駛人有沒有遵守

這才是政府要避免下次發生同樣事件要解決的問題...

作者: BasePX 時間: 2012-5-19 11:22

ketsu019 發表於 2012-5-18 19:19
他的意思是肇事主因不見得全是快

但是塞車是因為前面有慢車造成的蝴蝶效應

測速照相 is another reason the traffic flow is #@&* in Taiwan. Everyone slows down at the known camera location to avoid a ticket, and everyone drives at the same 100, leaves passing impossible: "...but in Taiwan the key problem is you often saw cars with low speed but occupied the higher speed lane and never turned to the lower speed lane. You have to drive to the right side for overtaking the car you want to pass but sometimes there were cars on the next lane as well and you couldn't move and jamed in the middle....".

If you put speed cameras in major artery in LA or Houston, there will be NO TRAFFIC JAM, the cameras will turn the freeway into a giant parking lot.

Speed does not kill, most fast drivers are ones who pays attentions to the driving environment and the road conditions, and they only drive as fast as the conditions allow. When the fast drive was said to "...waving through the traffic..", there were simply follow what the nature would do - speed up around obstacles.

"Speed up around obstacles" is what make the world go around, the river flow with no flood and the plane fly. Here is a simple aerodynamic of a wing:

作者: BasePX 時間: 2012-5-19 11:25

ketsu019 發表於 2012-5-18 19:19
他的意思是肇事主因不見得全是快

但是塞車是因為前面有慢車造成的蝴蝶效應

Thanks a million, you've clearly stated what I was trying very hard to say.

You are the BEST.

作者: ketsu019 時間: 2012-5-19 11:57

BasePX 發表於 2012-5-19 11:22
測速照相 is another reason the traffic flow is #@&* in Taiwan. Everyone slows down at the known ca ...

想不到您在台灣待的時間不多

對台灣的交通狀況還蠻了解的

台灣交通混亂主因還是用路人的素質

號稱禮儀之邦方向盤一握甚麼都忘了

在高速公路上自動變文盲

"非超車勿佔用超車道" "非雨、霧勿開霧燈"

這些標語都看不懂是在寫啥

我曾在法國城鎮間的快速道路(非高速公路)

速限90KM 我以110KM行駛內車道

後面仍有車接近對我閃遠燈

我也是乖乖的靠右讓它超車

台灣人的觀念卻會是你要超速請自行想辦法超車

完全以自我為中心甚至以最低速限行駛內車道

自以為只要不違規就可以打死不讓

在這呼籲大家如果您不想開太快

上路不會跟上車流速度又不懂得禮讓

還是多搭乘大眾運輸工具吧

台灣的交通少了您會更美好感激不盡...

作者: 法蘭克 時間: 2012-5-19 12:01
可惜在台灣有速限這玩意，而且按台灣人開車習慣，也不可能開放像德國有無速限的公路。

我倒覺得速限是一回事，可是按台灣人開車習慣跟想法，這問題很難解。
大家都只想，只要我不超速我就沒錯。卻是開車不專心，不注意路況，跟不上車流，任意切換車道(含從加速車道直切內側車道OR從內側車道直切減速車道) ，上坡路段速度就從110->90卻還死佔在內線不離開。
一個個都是造成假性(暫時性)塞車的原因。

不說別的，就連每次進埔頂遂道速度一定會慢，有時甚至還會煞到停，
關西長上坡往往都是一副外線才是超車道的樣子，內一內二滿滿的車，外側都空蕩蕩的。

真的是需要再多加教育教育多提倡正確行車觀念。

作者: BasePX 時間: 2012-5-19 12:37
本帖最後由 BasePX 於 2012-5-18 21:50 編輯

ketsu019 發表於 2012-5-18 20:57
想不到您在台灣待的時間不多

對台灣的交通狀況還蠻了解的

OMG. You are my long lost brother. The situation you described was to the letter of how I feel.

That was why I say: "...I am now ...看山是山, 看海是海... I'll let others drive and close my eyes when I am in Taiwan. So I my blood won't be boiling after seeing: "...只要我不超速我就沒錯。卻是開車不專心，不注意路況，跟不上車流，任意切換車道(含從加速車道直切內側車道OR從內側車道直切減速車道) ，上坡路段速度就從110->90卻還死佔在內線不離開。一個個都是造成假性(暫時性)塞車的原因..."

If I was driving 150 mph on an open road with unlimited visibility and no other vehicle around, was I going too fast??

Or, if one was driving 15 mph in a crowded parking lot, I know he/she was going too fast, the speed should be less than 3-5 mph. It is all about the RELATIVITY, The real speed limit should be relative to the surrounding condition. Accident happened because some factor(s) went out of the norm.

"...關西長上坡往往都是一副外線才是超車道的樣子，內一內二滿滿的車，外側都空蕩蕩的。真的是需要再多加教育教育多提倡正確行車觀念..."

作者: BasePX 時間: 2012-5-19 12:48

ketsu019 發表於 2012-5-18 20:57
想不到您在台灣待的時間不多

對台灣的交通狀況還蠻了解的

I left Taiwan 1979, I was driving on HWY1 even before it was open.

My best time was less than two hours, Taipei-Taichung, door-to-door, on surface road through Sanyi, Miaoli County back in 1974 with Ford Escort.

作者: ketsu019 時間: 2012-5-19 13:06

BasePX 發表於 2012-5-19 12:37
OMG. You are my long lost brother. The situation you described was to the letter of how I feel.

T ...

台灣也有類似"Slower Traffic, Keep Right"的標誌

不過我想慢車會解讀成"Keep Slower, Right Traffic"

作者: BasePX 時間: 2012-5-19 13:11
本帖最後由 BasePX 於 2012-5-18 22:14 編輯

ketsu019 發表於 2012-5-18 22:06
台灣也有類似"Slower Traffic, Keep Right"的標誌

不過我想慢車會解讀成"Keep Slower, Right Traffic"{: ...

Please allow me to quote your words: "...台灣交通混亂主因還是用路人的素質..."

作者: johnshuetw 時間: 2012-5-24 09:57

BasePX 發表於 2012-5-19 13:11
Please allow me to quote your words: "...台灣交通混亂主因還是用路人的素質..." ...

的而且確！
從行人、騎自行車、機車到汽車，到處都充斥這種現象。
然而用路人的素質，似乎也是社會文化習慣的縮影。
闖紅燈不對，但路口車少，當一堆人都闖，只剩下你還在等，後面想闖的還叭你擋住他，朋友還笑你笨。
小朋友等紅燈，媽媽卻拉他闖過去，小朋友說老師說紅燈不能過，媽媽卻罵小朋友笨。
每次偶提此問，最後總歸到社會價值觀、工作忙碌、交通太差、別人都不守法等等。

當你發現守法往往得不到肯定，反而不守法的逍遙自在，久而久之，自然只有看到警察才會守法。
比如昨天(5/23)在國光街85。C等紅燈，紅燈有警察在開單，有人未戴安全帽，竟有婦人闖紅燈，還到待轉區,再騎到85。C，看來她也知道開單的警察是沒空理她的。
數年前騎機車等紅燈,被一個婦人追撞,我停車理論,沒想到她竟直接闖紅燈騎走,我到警局,說查到車牌登記住址已不是車主住地,所以找不到,就不管了。

這世道

作者: BasePX 時間: 2012-5-24 13:33

johnshuetw 發表於 2012-5-23 18:57
的而且確！
從行人、騎自行車、機車到汽車，到處都充斥這種現象。
然而用路人的素質，似乎也是社會文化習 ...

Houston, we have a problem.

作者: lingoma 時間: 2012-5-29 04:54

BasePX 發表於 2012-5-24 13:33
Houston, we have a problem.

I couldn't stop laughing when I saw this. 我無法停止笑，當我看到這個。

Keep going. Good for you. Welcome to Taiwan.

作者: BasePX 時間: 2012-5-29 10:34

lingoma 發表於 2012-5-28 13:54
I couldn't stop laughing when I saw this. 我無法停止笑，當我看到這個。

Keep going. Good for you. ...

You made my day.

Cheers

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